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I talk to a rep from Chris Myers office today and he told me chris Myers supports the sunday bowhunting bill. reduction of the 450 ft rule, HOF-NOD, and traps off the reef. He strongly supports a bear hunt and opposes the 50 cal gun bill. the NJOA is backing his opponent Mr. Adler who now decided he supports the above legislation except he was co sponsor on the bill to stop bear hunting and supports the 50 cal gun bill. to me the NJOA made a very bad choice and left a bad taste in alot of outdoorsmen mouths.

Fred....
So let me get this straight...... Mr. Adler is against the bear hunt and want's to ban 50 cal. rifles and The NJOA is supporting him??????? Well this sure is a suprise.... I thought The NJOA was created to lobby for N.J. Sportsmen not put someone in office that is trying to take our right's away.... Any NJOA Rep's want to clarify this?????? But then.... WHO CAN YOU BELIEVE???? My Dad alway's said: ALL POLITICIAN'S ARE AS CROOKED AS A DOG'S HIND LEG......

35Whelan wrote:Fred....
SO CAN YOU BELIEVE???? My Dad alway's said: ALL POLITICIAN'S ARE AS CROOKED AS A DOG'S HIND LEG......

I think the NJOA is Really Making a Mistake on this one.

Fred mentioned his conversation with Mayor Myers but did not mention his conversation with the Mayor's opponent - Senator Adler. I'd be very interested in knowing what the Senator had to say?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it seems most productive to follow the old rule: If you don't agree with an organization's mission then find one that you do agree with and work to build that organization up instead of focusng efforts on tearing another organization down.

FYI - I have personally extended the opportunity for Fred to contact me regarding the reasoning for the NJOA's decision to endorse Senator Adler - but he has yet to do so. I think a person with genuine intentions would want to investigate a matter fully before broadcasting their opinion if they are to be fair and honest with the people they are trying to influence.

I make the same offer to all of you. Contact me at [email protected] and I will give you my personal phone number to discuss the matter if you are interested in why the NJOA made the endorsement. Of course, no one says we are perfect or that we will always make the right decision but our efforts are genuine and we'd be happy to share our reasoning with all those having concerns. For some to think that the people of the NJOA would purposely try to hurt sportsmen and sportswomen is quite a stretch of the imagination - and is unbelievable to discerning minds.

Anyway - contact me personally is you are interested in an explanation.

Fred, BTW there were a few very important issues you overlooked in your converstation with Mayor Myers. Perhaps you might want to find out what they are or you might well be shooting yourself (and the other outdoorsmen/women of NJ) in the foot. Did you know that as a NJOA council member the UBNJ did not oppose the NJOA endorsement? Did you notice that after our public endorsement of Senator Adler the 150' Bow Perimetr Bill and Sunday Bow Hunting Bill began to make their way through the Senate? So did other NJOA initiated legislation. Perhaps this is just merely a conincidence - or maybe even magic.

If I am to beleive this thread the movement of this legislation it should not even make a difference to sportsmen and sportswomen. After all, Fred spoke to Mayor Myers and this one-sided conversation should satisfy all interests.

FYI - Here is a general NJOA post regarding the matter.

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Given some of the confusion of trying to explain a complicated point(s) on an internet forum and given the frustration of some people over such an emotionally charged issue, I'm not exactly certain of the best way keep the answer on track. It will easily be misinterpreted and confusing.

However, everyone has been gracious enough to allow me to post info on the forum so I do feel that I have an obligation to try to answer why the NJOA is endorsing Sen Adler.

I am going to copy and paste my answer from another forum. However, if you are not you are not satisfied with the answer then instead of posting unpleasant comments simply email me and I will give you a phone number to speak with me personally.

[email protected]

1. For all of you that are concerned about the second amendment - the NJOA is not a second amendment organization. It is not a part of our mission and you won't find it in our mission statement.

The NJOA is a conservation organization and makes determinations based on fishing, hunting, trapping and conservation matters. There are times when second amendment and hunting issues overlap and we addresss those issues in conjunction with NRA representatives. The NJOA does not need to coordinate with the NRA - we do so out of goodwill. Although many of us at the NJOA are personally concerned with the second amendment rights the NJOA has to take into consideration that anglers and trappers may not be.

2. If there are concerns about the senator's stance on the bear hunt - currently the NJOA is not supporting bear hunt legislation - the reason is that there is NO bear hunting legislation being sponsored at this time. In fact, the Governor would veto any bear hunting legislation. So, it is not in our best interest to hold Senator Adler to a commitment to a bear hunt.

However, we are addressing the bear hunt seperately and it does not involve Senator Adler. I do believe that had we made the issue a priority and explained wildlife management to the Senator he might well have changed his mind - as he has on the other bills we are sponsoring.

3. We (NJOA) spent a great deal of time considering the endorsement issue. Mayor Myers appears to be an intelligent man and competent businessman. We recognize that Senator Adler is surely a newcomer to some of our issues. Our endorsement is already opening a great many doors in Trenton that seemed to be permenently closed to outdoorsmen and outdoorswomen of NJ. It is our judgement that the doors will remain open after the election.

The bow hunting bills, fishing bills and constitutional amendment are beginning to move in the senate and assembly, partly because of Senator Adler's support. They are are also moving because the organizations that want these bills passed are working with the support and backing of the NJOA. The backing of 15 council organizations, a lobbyist, the managers, reps and officers. It is a united effort between the "club" you might belong to and the organization of people that make up the NJOA.

Unity is more tha a collection of people - it is a collection of people willing to accepting their differences and work to achieve a common goal. That's the unity we are trying create among sportsmen and sportswomen - and the successes we are having in Trenton are an indication of our progress.

Again, before calling me ugly names contact me first for further explanation. If I can't answer your questions to your satisfaction then "fire away."

Ant

apmaurosr wrote:Did you know that as a NJOA council member the UBNJ did not oppose the NJOA endorsement? Did you notice that after our public endorsement of Senator Adler the 150' Bow Perimetr Bill and Sunday Bow Hunting Bill began to make their way through the Senate? So did other NJOA initiated legislation. Perhaps this is just merely a conincidence - or maybe even magic.

These bills have sat for years, and I don't believe it was a mere coincidence, but it might have been "magic". Ant, keep up the good work.

For all of you that are concerned about the second amendment - the NJOA is not a second amendment organization.

Second Amendment is very important to me, but I recognize this and am a NRA member for those issues. NRA also works with ANJRPC on a local level.

well good for you KATHY it doesnt matter..... they are endorsing an anti gunner and a one time co sponsor of a bill to ban bearhunting .that position alone whether there is a bear hunt or not or whether theres no bill because of that, its a fact he is against a bear hunt he is also for the 50 cal gun ban any endorsement for him is an endorsement for an anti ...remember those people kathy the ones you compared me and the anti crossbow coalition being just like but your praising the NJOA for this, get a grip ....more then half of the people that saw the first thread about this endosement were very upset about this...i dont endorse for NOW i endorse for NOW and the FUTURE

Fred, I do look at the bigger picture. I am praising NJOA because of ALL the good they have done. Way I see it is, if you feel the opposition is better, then vote for him. Neither are in my district. I tried to get Assemblyman Gordon OUT...he was on the committee reagrding those 2 bills from last year that got derailed (for NOW). Voters put Gordon in as Senator, so I am stuck with him. '

I do understand your concerns, but I think you're handling it wrong. Give Ant a call. There is such a thing as 1/2 a loaf is better than none. I am willing to give Ant and the others the benefit of the doubt on this one. I am, by no means, telling you that you have to agree, either. Am just trying to be rational about it.

Just for argument's sake, if NJOA endorsed the other guy, just where would those bills that recently passed through committee be? They have sat for years until now. That is what I was praising. I know how it all works. Without them, they would still be at a standstill!!! Maybe you should get a grip, Fred. Bear hunt is being handled, separately.

your last sentence sums it up perfectly thank you. the only reason they endorsed him because they know meyers wont win..to go against what you truely believe in as a whole just to push bills for now and not thinking what could happen later disgusts me to no end.i am truly dissappointed in the NJOA and i hope they get snake bitten later

Those bills are not a NOW issue, as they have been sitting dormant, pretty much. NJOA is the PAC to get bills brought up to be heard. Bills have to go through the right process to move forward.

Nobody knows, for sure, if a candidate can win or not. Opinions and speculation are not facts; however, I have NOT seen anything to suggest that Mayor Myers will support any hunting issue, except for your personal phone conversation with him. Like I said before, Fred, if you feel that strongly in him, then vote for him. NJOA might not be making the best choice, but I am willing to wait things out regarding this one. I do feel that just because one has been ANTI hunting previously, one could become "educated" and see things in a different light. Because he did endorse those 2 bills, recently, does seem to indicate that.

It is also my understanding that the NJOA vote was "unanimous" in the decision to support Sen Adler...ALL council representative members voted to do so. Doesn't that also indicate a broader picture to you? You don't want to "cut your nose to spite your face".

Quite honestly, Fred, I am much more worried about the people electing Obama as President!! Also, much of the Congress is to be voted for. The Congress are the people who make your Federal laws...much bigger picture to think about, IMO.

This is unreal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here we have NJOA, who I think was doing a great job, moving up the ranks, but then goes and backs up this fool Adler. He is known to be a anti-hunter, anti-gunner, anti-everything we love so much.

Why back this guy up? Easy, there is something on the backburner, everyone has a price, but you shouldn't put a price on your rights and the things you (we all) love so much.

Why contact you in private for reasons for backing him up? If you feel so strongly as to why Adler is "THE MAN" then explaine the reasons why you backed him up on here