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parade in your glory now Mark you think this is a joke the way the treat the only bowhunting org in this state which belongs in the federation..very bad move on public humiliation..like i said laugh now enjoy it in a couple yrs you will find out where this gets everyone and im mainly talking about the council

[Ace]

parade in your glory now Mark you think this is a joke the way the treat the only bowhunting org in this state which belongs in the federation..very bad move on public humiliation..like i said laugh now enjoy it in a couple yrs you will find out where this gets everyone and im mainly talking about the council

The bow hunting organization that neglects at least half their dues paying member's wishes.....

Belongs to the Federation?? ( only mentions that when needed??? Trash talks the Federation all other times)

The SAME Federation the UBNJ Reps BASH so often?
The Same Federation you and many others claim "runs the F&G Council"??

The same "gunners", "crossovers", "slobs" "six day chaos army" folks???

The same Federation so many of you folks Bash nearly daily???

The same Federation made up mostly of the gun hunters (real Majority ) ......

The same gun hunters that you folks want to take gun hunting days away from???

Turn six day into TWO DAY Season???

You folks "may think" that you can scare them into actually believing that crossbow hunters will kill "all their bucks", However keep in mind that Jakesbeard claims he was told that bow seasons would be cut shorter IF that happens.....

Just "maybe" MOST of the gun hunters instead of supporting you folks will see a chance to make you sweat losing some of YOUR Season's days......

Face it there is NO good or valid reasons for the Federation to NOT back FULL Inclusion.....

According to your side of this, THEY "crossovers" (as you folks call them) (gunners as JB calls them) JUST Can't wait to use a crossbow during the RUT!!!

You know what I think you're right many of them WOULD love to hunt rutting bucks with crossbows!!

Once word "gets out" about all of the above, you can bet those gun hunters will look out for themselves just as your group has always done, thus they'll end up supporting Full Inclusion and THEIR chance to hunt the rut with "bolt throwers"

MOST will see the added opportunity for THEM and not care about the selfish desires of a few........

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One of jakesbeard's famous signature lines......to prove he does in fact make this claim

The NJ F+G council admits that their solution to an increased buck harvest during bowseason will be a reduced bowseason , so what has the bowhunter gained by supporting across the board crossbow intrusion into bowseason?

Sorry but "I" don't see the gun hunters being SO concerned about that when the same folks who are have been actively trying to reduce THEIR seasons ........

In fact "I" see it totally opposite, why would THEY (or the Federation) support anything other than full inclusion (not intrusion) .......

They have been insulted, called names, over and over, had the campaign to reduce the gun seasons out from under them by the same folks NOW concerned about bow seasons....

Hindsight is 20/20 and some time ago folks should have listened about "don't make enemies where you don't have them or have to make them".......

So thank you JB for letting them All KNOW that (according to you ) F&G are going to reduce bow seasons IF the buck harvest is "increased"........(wow 2 more bucks and a shorter season huh??) by full inclusion of crossbows!

Won't happen , but it's nice to know that IF it does, the gun hunters won't have to pay for supporting their chance to hunt the rut with crossbows!

[11pointer]

its all water under the bridge JIm ..welp a burning bridge, make no mistake the council made yet another mistake and we'll correct that at some time in the near future. i told you we are not like other states an in a couple yrs they will regret it ...hunter loss will happen...hunters can talk to the public too jim. hunters can write letters too jim .you see the public may need to know how defunked the council is and maybe we need a little change you know for the good of the resource in the state of NJ..i gotta get too work have a nice day

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Yes Fred, hunters can talk to the pubic and other hunters been going on for a very long time, another reason why it's time to face the reality that MOST want full inclusion.

As for the "burning bridge", that is your choice, but I can assure you this "talk" isn't going to help get ANY Positive changes to actually take place......MOST support the F&G Council and Div. you know this, and you folks can't change that because you simply didn't get your "way" , when you presented nothing of value to support your desires.........

NONE of that is "water under the bridge", do you folks honestly "think" you're the only ones with a memory? Plenty gun hunters remember ALL the negative things being spewed about them over this one tiny issue (that honestly had nothing to do with them, UNTIL your bunch tried so hard to make it about them)

NO that water won't be "under the bridge" (burning or not) for years from now, count on that, which is why one doesn't make enemies where they don't already exist, sometimes it's wise to consider good advice no matter who is giving it.....

The truth is, NJ Bow hunters are totally a vast minority and going out of their way to upset the vast Majority can never help them gain anything they want, JB always bitches about how bow hunters "are treated" (in his biased opinion) yet HE is always saying negative things about EVERYONE who doesn't "hunt his way", especially gun hunters (gunners according to him) and the Federation in particular.....

Fred for too long now the UBNJ has been making threats they can't Possibly back up, NOW you folks seek (again) to TRY to change the F&G Council.........(around here WE call that writing checks with your mouth your ass can't back up).....


YOU Folks don't have the numbers OR the support to make that happen, but you WILL piss off many who won't see things "your way"......and Full Crossbow Inclusion (the REAL reason) for trying to do so, won't gain you any more friends or support.......that's the truth Fred.

Once the gun hunters realize that at LEAST HALF the UBNJ Membership support full inclusion , the FACT that Joe Mills Asked for a chance to address the F&G Council but came totally unprepared to do so, and was chastised for that , NO one will back you folks, NOT their problem if YOUR President asks for time, is granted it , but didn't have the proffesionalism or manners to NOT Waste THIER TIME......

MOST of them won't care, especially when they learn that THEY can hunt the rut with crossBOWS........by supporting the majority already surveyed!!!

Time to "get over it" , and accept the FACT that most don't oppose this, and MANY NJ HUNTERS do in fact fully support it (including bow hunters and UBNJ Dues paying members)

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.hunter loss will happen

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A FEW may "quit" (which I doubt will be enough to be noticed) it's one thing to get upset over an issue quite another for someone to quit hunting over what others are allowed to do.....

Besides even IF a FEW do quit, they'll be more than "offset" by the new hunters, the new bow hunters , and new to bow season hunters ,(that would be the gun hunters you guys don't want to share with)...... so in essence they'd ONLY be harming themselves for no purpose at all........

Count of it, FULL INCLUSION (and the allure of rut hunting) will bring in plenty of all those groups.....plus women, youth, and bring back seniors who may qualify for a permit but won't use it for fear of being ridiculed for using a crossbow when Everyone can use one they're no longer faced with that terrible stigma and WILL come back in force as will many disabled who now also won't use the permits for the exact same reasons......

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Ok by whom then was it ?

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Ok by whom then was it ?

Relax, I didn't point any fingers....

[Ace]

I'm very relaxed in fact planning on taking wife out all night fishing on our boat tonight